Does Science Kill the Magic?

[mazHur]

Interesting talk...turn on your speakers, listen and share your thoughts.

'Robin Ince, Brian Cox and guests put science up against the supernatural.

Science V The Supernatural: Does Science Kill the Magic?
Robin Ince and Brian Cox are joined on stage by actor and magician Andy Nyman, psychologist Richard Wiseman and neuroscientist Bruce Hood as they take on the paranormal. They'll be looking at some of the more popular claims of supernatural goings on, and asking whether a belief in ghosts, psychic abilities and other other-worldly phenomena, is just a bit of harmless fun, or whether there are more worrying implications in a belief in the paranormal.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0128mlk#synopsis

[munkinhead]

Science IS the magic!

[cafolini]

Anything has a magic throughout. The difference in science is that the magic is three-dimensional. Being and existence are two-dimensional representations of what may or may not occur in three dimensions. At the source, even being and existence occur in the three dimensions (scientific) of the imaginative functions. The split of soul and body is the schizophrenia that causes the classical, confused systems of thought. Soul and body are the same. Anything is virtual.

[mazHur]

Anything has a magic throughout. The difference in science is that the magic is three-dimensional. Being and existence are two-dimensional representations of what may or may not occur in three dimensions. At the source, even being and existence occur in the three dimensions (scientific) of the imaginative functions. The split of soul and body is the schizophrenia that causes the classical, confused systems of thought. Soul and body are the same. Anything is virtual.

If soul and body are taken as the same, all the toil done by philosophers, prophets,saints
and saviors would go down the drain!!
I think body and soul 'interact', inter-mix' but they are ''insoluble'' ?

[YesNo]

I enjoy reading science when the authors are writing about their fields of expertise, but I don't waste my time on so call "science" that is used to belittled the paranormal or psychics. Almost by definition, this is not the field of expertise of any of these scientists unless they specifically study the paranormal. And so I trust the psychics over these folks when it comes to what people understand as the paranormal. After all, the psychics are the ones having the experiences, while the "scientists" are the ones with only ideas that those experiences are not valid.

As far as destroying the magic, science is presenting the world as quite magical. Just consider subatomic particles, the big bang, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, relativity, evolution and historical research into ancient civilizations to name just some areas I find interesting. The world is no longer the deterministic, mechanistic world of the early 1800's--thanks to science.

[cafolini]

If soul and body are taken as the same, all the toil done by philosophers, prophets,saints
and saviors would go down the drain!!
I think body and soul 'interact', inter-mix' but they are ''insoluble'' ?

Yes, exactly. They already did go down the drain. And they are not coming back in importance. They are today a form of museum gossip and entanglement.

[Theunderground]

Science these days with a few notable exceptions is boring,dogmatic and of not help in discussing the human condition. Art will always be more magic than science,and the experience of life itself is even more magic than art.
The body and soul are inseperable,with the proviso that the soul will outlive the current material body then search for another!

[cafolini]

Science these days with a few notable exceptions is boring,dogmatic and of not help in discussing the human condition. Art will always be more magic than science,and the experience of life itself is even more magic than art.
The body and soul are inseperable,with the proviso that the soul will outlive the current material body then search for another!

You'll definitely be surprised. There occurs no thing in itself. Things in themselves are essential, ex-ist-ential gossip of human diarrhealectics long gone to backstage and not ever coming back to the forefront.

[Theunderground]

Caffy,postmodernism is not the dominant strain of thought in the world today. Its mainly for overeducated bufoons living in ivory towers and media bubbles. Phrases like 'the thing in itself' and 'essentialist' are only metaphors and phrases invented by philosophers. Taking 'soul' literally means missing the Meaning. Potmodernism is henned in by its own preconceptions and jargon. Postmodernists are nowhere near as free intellectually as they think they are. You have been warned...

[stuntpickle]

Yes, exactly. They already did go down the drain. And they are not coming back in importance. They are today a form of museum gossip and entanglement.

This is overly optimistic for an atheist. Actually, the popular atheism of late has done little more than expose atheism as pre-Socratic sophistry, and I mean "sophistry" not in the pejorative sense, but the literal. The much-heralded end of religion has proved to be an over-estimation for quite some time now. Of course, it's been fun watching Dawkins assume the mantle of Socrates while evincing a neo-Pyrrhonism that greatly entertained the neo-Aristotelian philosophers he was screaming at.

[MattG]

Interesting show, thanks for posting.

To me, looking at things in as rational a way as possible is helpful in discerning wheat from chaff.

There are a lot of strange stories out there, and most don't hold up to scrutiny. Scientific method helps separate that which is truly mysterious from that which is simply anecdotal etc.

So no, science doesn't kill magic. Rather, it helps to define it.

[Ecurb]

Caffy,postmodernism is not the dominant strain of thought in the world today. Its mainly for overeducated bufoons living in ivory towers and media bubbles. Phrases like 'the thing in itself' and 'essentialist' are only metaphors and phrases invented by philosophers. Taking 'soul' literally means missing the Meaning. Potmodernism is henned in by its own preconceptions and jargon. Postmodernists are nowhere near as free intellectually as they think they are. You have been warned...

Yes, education is a problem, and being "overeducated" a horrible, horrible fate for anyone.

Of course it may seem that ignorance is a problem, and that it is unlikely to learn too much. But that SEEMS to be true only if you are "henned in" by your own preconceptions and jargon (whatever that means).

Ivory towers, of course, tend to be inhabited by the overeducated, some of whom (horrors!) invent phrases. Thanks for the warning, Theunderground! I'll take heed!

[cafolini]

Caffy,postmodernism is not the dominant strain of thought in the world today. Its mainly for overeducated bufoons living in ivory towers and media bubbles. Phrases like 'the thing in itself' and 'essentialist' are only metaphors and phrases invented by philosophers. Taking 'soul' literally means missing the Meaning. Potmodernism is henned in by its own preconceptions and jargon. Postmodernists are nowhere near as free intellectually as they think they are. You have been warned...

Modernism is what's past tense. Postmodernists do not think of themselves as free. There is no free will. The thought in the foreground of today is not the dominant thought of today. It's just decibels without consequence. Science is the dominant thought of today and there is no other more postmodernist. Humanity has been overcome together with modernism or any Neothis or Nethat. Einstenian relativity, the Big imaginary Bang and all the prole of its quackers is now fully forgotten where the action is. You have not been warned. We have no need to confront you.

[cafolini]

Yes, education is a problem, and being "overeducated" a horrible, horrible fate for anyone.

Of course it may seem that ignorance is a problem, and that it is unlikely to learn too much. But that SEEMS to be true only if you are "henned in" by your own preconceptions and jargon (whatever that means).

Ivory towers, of course, tend to be inhabited by the overeducated, some of whom (horrors!) invent phrases. Thanks for the warning, Theunderground! I'll take heed!

It's absolutely impossible to know too much. Overeducation cannot be sustained, cannot even begin anywhere. It's a dumb thing and cannot count.

[Ecurb]

It's absolutely impossible to know too much. Overeducation cannot be sustained, cannot even begin anywhere. It's a dumb thing and cannot count.

Perhaps you have never seen the excellent Hitchcock film, "The Man Who Knew to Much".